![]() It's crazy to me that the world thinks of the Bay area as some rich place (and it is) but it probably has some of the worst investment in local infrastructure. I once did the math that it's more cost efficient to buy a summer home in Seattle and a winter home in Phoenix and move back and forth every six months, than to buy a similar house in the Bay Area Latest sign the Bay Area’s economics are unsustainable: tech talent commuting from Phoenix - via Southwest - and coming out ahead financially. That’ll maybe get you a nice ROOM the Bay Area□□□ I could rent a 4+ bedroom HOUSE in Phoenix for $1500. Sure, you get slow downs, but generally speaking, the rush hour doesn’t last as long as here and the commutes are much shorter, given the fact its more affordable to live closer to work.” “Traffic - Think its a lot better in Phoenix.If you’re comparing the outer East Bay, again, not much of a difference But, its also not the bible belt type conservatism you find in the deep South. “Politics - You don’t have the bleeding heart liberal vibe you get in SF/Oakland/Berkeley. ![]() Unless you’re comparing to SF proper (which I rarely go to anymore with young kids), its not that much of a difference. Since then, there’s been a proliferation of farm to table restaurants. When I was there (15 years ago), I found it was mainly chains and then high end steakhouses and such. However, on a day to day basis, I doubt you’ll notice that much. “Cuisine - You don’t have the same degree of world class restaurants (there are a few, but not nearly the scale).“Culture - Its not nearly as diverse as the Bay Area, but I don’t think its accurate to say there’s no diversity in Phoenix.Nothing of this scale in the Bay Area unless you’re talking about the Silicon Valley, but down there, the culture is much, much different. Its quite gridded and sprawled in all directions. “Similarity to CA - I’d say it feels a lot more like SoCal vs the Bay Area.But, 110+ is just plain hot, no matter how you look at it. I remember when its in the low 100s, it actually felt quite pleasant to me (given there’s A/C inside). I would agree that when its super dry, its more tolerable. However, I think the winters in Phoenix are much nicer, due to much less rain and frequent times when the temps are in the 70s/80s. You’ll have 110-115 temps for days/weeks on end and it stays hot at night. However, that only lasts a few days at most and then you have many days where it is in the 80s during the day and cools down to the high 50s/low 60s at night. Sure, we may have an occasional spike in temperatures to 105-110 out here a few times every summer. “Climate - I don’t think it is accurate to say its not a huge difference between the outer East Bay and Phoenix.“So I’m familiar with the differences of the areas: (He currently lives in the East Bay but went to grad school at Arizona State University in Tempe) That’s the one thing about California that I do miss.” I was driving around 10pm and my phone said it was 105 degrees and it felt like it. If you’re coming from a far out East Bay city like Concord, Brentwood, or Pittsburgh, then the heat here wouldn’t be (that) steep of a change. If you’re coming from a coastal city such as SF, Pacifica, or Daly City, then Lord have mercy. Even though I am still new to the area, the heat can be an issue for some. The heat … yea the heat is a different issue. I got a job very close to the area that I picked out to live in. “I was born in the bay area … What I did was I scouted the Phoenix metro twice: The first time was to see if I actually liked what I saw. It all depends on the people I befriend.'” Consider what my Mom says, ‘I can live anywhere. You will experience culture shock and climate shock, but you will adapt if you make the effort. “I moved from San Francisco to Chandler in 2003.
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